E85 Basic
Information
First of all, what is E85?:
E85 consists of 85% ethanol and 15% additives.
The additives vary a lot depending on where you
live and time of the year. But roughly, the 15%
additives is mostly made up of gasoline,
additives that helps the engine to make a
complete burn, additives that helps the engine
start when it’s cold and additives to color the
fuel and the flame (so you know what substance
it is, and also to help you see that it is
really burning).
(Positive) facts about E85:
1. It is not corrosive to the fuel system
or the engine. This is a myth and ethanol
is often confused with methanol, which
actually have corrosive properties. I’ve run my
car for well over two years on E85 without a
problem. Some models before 1988 on the other
hand may have some parts that are not ethanol
resistant. If we are talking Volvo’s, then this
mainly applies to the non-electronically
injection systems such as K-jet etc. Most cars
with electronically fuel injection (EFI) should
be resistant to ethanol. Some people say it
would kill your engine right away and that you
should buy there race fuel instead (of course
they say :eyes: )
2. It is not as harmful to the
nature/environment as gasoline or any other
petroleum products for that matter. Ethanol is
made out of renewable energy resources such as
crops and trees to name a few things. The carbon
dioxide that an ethanol powered car emits is not
contributing to the greenhouse effect, but is
taken up by the plants and is being "re-used".
The carbon dioxide then goes around in a closed
loop. Gasoline on the other hand is made from
oil that comes from old dinosaurs , plants and
other stuff 100 000 of years ago, and it doesn’t
take part in the closed loop but only adds to
the amount of greenhouse gasses. Ethanol is also
easily bio-degradable if it should leak into our
environment.
3. E85 is 104-105 octane and therefore it's more
knock-resistant and can tolerate more boost or a
higher CR. E98-100 is about 120 octane.
4. E85 cools the intake charge more and
therefore it's more knock-resistant and can
tolerate more boost or a higher CR. And it also
makes the engine run cooler and to some degree,
even safer.
5. E85 is in most cases at least 5% more
efficient than gasoline at the same lambda value
(up to 25% more efficient on some cars optimized
solely for E85). Mill your heads
6. Since E85 has very good cleaning properties
as well as leaving behind a rest-product of
water, it is cleaning the fuel system and it
will keep the injectors nice and clean. The
combustion chambers, valves, ports and the
exhaust will also be clean(er), almost like the
car had water injection.
7. In most cases it will cost less $/mile to run
on E85, and as we go into 2008 and many new
plants come online we will see the price
difference get even better.
(Negative) facts about E85:
1. Cars running on E85 have some trouble
starting when the engine temperature drops below
+5*C. Cars running E100 (not very common) have
some trouble starting when the intake (the air)
temperature is below +15*C. This is easily
solved by using an engine heater in the winter,
electrical or fuel-heated (this is recommended
on all cars regardless of fuel to get better
mileage, less wear on the engine and less impact
on the environment etc., but that is another
matter to discuss and will not be brought up
here...). Some people also adds a little extra
gasoline to the tank of E85 to help with
cold-starts.
2. Since cars running E85 requires roughly 10 to
30% more fuel, a tank of E85 will not get you as
far as a tank of gasoline and you will have to
refuel more often. This is often disregarded by
E85 users who learn to live with it because of
the economical gains from reduced price of E85.
Technical facts about the mentioned fuels:
E85 requires 39% more fuel to reach stoich even
if that is not what you may come up with when
doing calculations based on the table below.
This is because the injector flow is slightly
different when using E85 among many other things
I can't really think of at this time (will be
added at a later time).
Fuel ........................ AFRst ........
FARst ....... Equivalence Ratio ... Lambda
Gas stoich ................ 14.7 ..........
0.068 ................ 1 ................... 1
Gas max power rich .... 12.5 .......... 0.08
................. 1.176 .............. 0.8503
Gas max power lean .... 13.23 ........ 0.0755
.............. 1.111 ............. 0.900
E85 stoich .................. 9.765 .......
0.10235 ............ 1 ................... 1
E85 max power rich ...... 6.975 ....... 0.1434
.............. 1.40 ............... 0.7143
E85 max power lean ..... 8.4687 ...... 0.118
............... 1.153 .............. 0.8673
E100 stoich ................ 9.0078 ...... 0.111
............... 1 .................... 1
E100 max power rich .... 6.429 ........ 0.155
.............. 1.4 .................. 0.714
E100 max power lean .... 7.8 .... ...... 0.128
.............. 1.15 ................ 0.870
Ethanol reaches max torque at richer mixtures
than gasoline will.
The term AFRst refers to the Air Fuel Ratio
under stoichiometric, or ideal air fuel ratio
mixture conditions. FARst refers to the Fuel Air
Ratio under stoichiometric conditions, and is
simply the reciprocal of AFRst.
Equivalence Ratio is the ratio of actual Fuel
Air Ratio to Stoichiometric Fuel Air Ratio; it
provides an intuitive way to express richer
mixtures. Lambda is the ratio of actual Air Fuel
Ratio to Stoichiometric Air Fuel Ratio; it
provides an intuitive way to express leanness
conditions (i.e., less fuel, less rich) mixtures
of fuel and air.
As you can see from the table shown above this
section, the ideal target AFR´s under boost for
both gasoline and E85 are listed. For gasoline
it's 13.23-12.5, and for E85 it's 8.47-6.975.
However, with E85 you will not need to richen
the mixture under WOT/boost as far as 6.975 or
beyond. It does not need to be proportionally
richer when compared to gasoline.
Why? Again, Because the fuel has a cooling
effect on the intake charge and the space in
which the combustion occurs. And at such a low
AFR as 9.765 (lambda=1 on E85) or lower the fuel
cools pretty good, don’t you think so?
Many people with some experience in mapping an
ECU for use with E85 says that as high AFR as
8.5 or lambda=0.80-0.85 works well. No need to
go to the extreme end of the useable scale to
get safe power. It only uses a lot of fuel
without giving any benefits.
E85 burns faster than gasoline at best mixtures
so it is an inherently more efficient fuel. It
also produces more exhaust gas for a give weight
of fuel air mix giving higher average cylinder
pressures in spite of lower EGT's. With straight
E85 in a properly tuned car its good for about
+5% power / torque increase. I suspect on a
turbocharged car the benefit is larger.
Since you don't have to richen the mixture as
many percent (proportionally) as you have to on
gasoline, you can make more power without having
to use as much fuel.
How does ignition timing change on E85 ?
Timing on ethanol blends will not change very
much. MBT timing for both gasoline and E85 are
very nearly the same at light to moderate engine
loads. At high engine load the E85 will want
just slightly more advance. The big difference
will be fuel/air mixture. The E85 will give
improved torque with much richer mixtures than
gasoline. Both gasoline and E85 will give best
thermal efficiency at about 15% rich of stoich,
so the equivalent of 12.78:1 on gasoline would
be about 8.5:1 on E85, but E85 will continue to
give better torque numbers up to about +40% rich
of stoich or 7:1 mixtures, so on a utec you
would want to richen up your WOT high load cells
and add a tweak of timing to get the most out of
E85 from what I've read. I run my car on 8.3:1
right now. I have tried much richer mixtures but
i have not compared it on a dyno yet.
Quote:
Are you sure you don't mean that E85 will
allow more advance?
Just passing on what I've found in the various
sources. Logically you are correct, but one
source says simply that MBT timing is the same
for E85 and gasoline, and another report says at
low loads the E85 and gasoline like the same MBT
timing but at high loads MBT timing for the E85
is slightly more advance.
I suspect this is due to them not running ideal
max power mixtures but cannot confirm it. Burn
speed for E85 changes quite a bit with mixture,
so if they were just a little bit lean or rich
of ideal the burn rate would be lower.
Lots and lots of variables not well covered in
some of the sources and in general they are
focusing on emissions issues not max
power torque so that would incline them to use
less than best power timing advance. In a couple
of the reports they also had limited control
authority over timing and may not have explored
the extremes very thoroughly.
I have also read that E85 burns much quicker
than gas at rich mixtures so if you have your
timing advanced and go WOT you could get power
loss (And you might not pick up any knocks)
because of the burn speed being to fast.
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